You’re listening to the A Lovely Mess podcast, your cozy consolation. This week we’re discussing top-of-the-line Halloween motion pictures, Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega and starring Bette Milder, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy.

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Present Notes:

Decor inspiration (actually break this down) Something you’ll use in your personal house? Beloved, hated, robust reactions and many others…

Witches’ cottage – Iconic witches’ cottage

Max’s home – Steeple on high of home, combination of grownup and child vibe in Max’s room with nautical wallpaper and tie dye, and a gorgeous framed image of the surface of the home

Allison’s home – Historic Colonial home and really elegant

Satan home – Elsie’s favourite home within the film, she beloved the cardboard hearth and smoke in entrance yard

Remark beneath together with your favourite home from hocus Pocus

Different cozy inspiration (style, meals, drink or something?)-

The mother’s Madonna costume

Every little thing concerning the witches – clothes, brooms, hair, make-up, pretend tooth, and the best way they stroll

Hocus Pocus Merch

Price the film from 0-5 black flame candles:

Emma – 6/5

Elsie – 5/5

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Episode 202 Transcript:

Elsie: You’re listening to The Lovely Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation pay attention. This week we’re discussing top-of-the-line Halloween motion pictures, Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega and starring Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy. That is one among my favorites. 

Emma: I do know. I used to be like, is it too fundamental to do Hocus Pocus? But additionally ought to we do it yearly? Like that’s like my inner, you realize, It’s too fundamental, but in addition we have now to. Completely. Yeah. Yeah. And I watched it simply on my own one night time, having fun with my life, loving it. So. Okay, earlier than we get began about Hocus Pocus although, we’re going to do a private opener. So, I advised Elsie, that is like my factor for the week. On Friday, as we speak is Wednesday as we’re recording. On Friday, Oscar goes to go on his first airplane experience, and I’m very enthusiastic about it. He’s solely two. I didn’t fly on an airplane till I used to be like 17. So, very totally different childhood. And he received’t keep in mind it, so it’s actually sort of extra for me and Trey, however I’m very excited. I really suppose he’s going to do nice. We’re flying to Costa Rica. We have now a household journey for 2 weeks, and I’m very, very enthusiastic about it. I believe he’s going to like the home we’re at. It has a pool. I believe he’s going to like going to the seashore. He loves a sandbox, so it’s like, right here’s a large sandbox. I believe he’s going to like that. I doubt he’ll get within the ocean. He may, like, let it contact his ft. He’s a really cautious man, so I’m actually not. frightened about any of that. I believe it’s going to be actually enjoyable. 

Elsie: So it’s his first time to a seashore? 

Emma: First time to a seashore, first time on a aircraft. Yeah, so first time overseas, he has his little child passport the place he’s like little child on this image. So I’m very enthusiastic about it. And I believe he’s going to do nice on the flights as a result of it’s sort of early within the morning, which is like his greatest time of day as a result of he’s simply had his night time of sleep. He actually simply likes observing, he’s a really observant child, and he simply stares at every part. Like anytime we do one thing new, like the primary time we went to the dentist, he really did nice as a result of I believe he’s similar to, that is new and I’m taking all of it in. So, that’s sort of what I anticipate with the flights, however in fact, I may also have his little backpack filled with Band-Aids and toys and little issues he’s by no means seen earlier than that I’m going to purchase at Greenback Tree the day earlier than. Additionally, we can have plenty of Paw Patrol on our telephone and if all else fails, he can simply watch some Paw Patrol, which you don’t often let him watch very a lot of that one as a result of it’s not that instructional. So it’ll be a superb one for him. 

Elsie: You gave the impression of a brilliant snob simply then. 

Emma: I’m often like, Sesame Road or Daniel Tiger, what would you like? He’s like Paw Patrol. I’m like, ugh. Okay. So anyway, he’ll get as a lot Paw Patrol as he desires if issues go awry. However I believe it’s gonna be good. And on the best way house, it’s like the identical flights however within the night. So I sort of suppose that both he’ll sleep or we can have a bit of meltdown. And the final flight, like from Houston to Springfield, I’m going to do it simply me and Oscar, as a result of Trey has some place else he needs to be. So I’m a bit of nervous about that. However I additionally suppose it’s very probably he’ll simply sleep on me the entire two-hour aircraft experience. So I’m sort of hoping for that, but when it’s a meltdown, as soon as once more, we will likely be Paw Patrolling ourselves so far as that may take us. However I’m actually excited, although. I’ve a listing of, like, targets for my life that’s on my bulletin board at house. I do know you’ve seen it. And one among them, as a result of I believe you must put work targets and, like, life targets as a result of I simply suppose that’s more healthy. And one among my fundamental ones is I need Oscar to have a wholesome childhood filled with journey. And I simply really feel like we’re doing it. We’re doing it. That is like an journey. He most likely received’t keep in mind it, however he’ll see the images rising up and it’s gonna be a extremely enjoyable journey for me. And I’m simply very enthusiastic about it. However as each guardian is aware of, a visit with youngsters is just not actually a trip. It’s a visit, however I’m viewing it that manner. So I believe I’m in the proper mindset to have a profitable nice journey.

Elsie: Yeah, there are undoubtedly totally different definitions of trip after you turn into a guardian, and it’s not the identical. My recommendation is sort of like once you’re getting a tattoo. For me, personally, one of many lowest parenting factors of my life was in an airport. So, that most likely received’t occur. However, if it does, I believe that the perfect, healthiest solution to get via it’s to only, like, visualize your self tomorrow at house and notice that, like, this case, it’s solely a matter of time earlier than it’s over. 

Emma: It’s solely, it’s solely so many hours of individuals watching me angrily. Yeah. No, that received’t occur. 

Elsie: Individuals are imply to oldsters on planes, they’re. Individuals are impolite, and I believe it’s a tragic a part of humanity, however it’s true. 

Emma: Yeah, and I’ll say too, I believe you must attempt to be as sort as you possibly can to individuals on planes with youngsters, particularly in the event you discover that there’s a guardian by themselves with a number of youngsters. Like simply, they’re doing their greatest. Simply let it go. However I additionally, suppose lots of people get plenty of anxiousness after they fly, and to allow them to not be themselves and never be their greatest selves. So if anybody’s impolite to me, that’s what I’m gonna say in my head. I’m like, you’re most likely anxious, in order that’s why you’re being a dick, and I don’t care. So, you realize. As a result of I get anxious after I fly, so it’s okay. You’re not your greatest model. You’ll most likely be extra beneficiant in the event you weren’t on a aircraft and feeling… No matter you’re feeling as a result of who is aware of you by no means know what everybody else goes via.

Elsie: Effectively, I’m excited for you, and I hope that it goes completely and also you’re like I might do that each time.

Emma: And likewise we’re not essentially planning to take Oscar on like lengthy, these aren’t actually lengthy aircraft rides and I’m not likely planning to try this. I don’t really feel the parenting bravery to love to take my child to Europe proper now. Some individuals go for it and I’m like that’s nice. I’ve manner an excessive amount of anxiousness. Like flying on a aircraft on my own, I get sort of anxious. So me doing it with my son, I’m like, hey man, I’m simply gonna be sort to myself and be like, I’m nervous about this and I’m simply gonna do my greatest and I’m not gonna push myself farther than I really feel like I might do as a result of I simply don’t, I need to set myself up for parenting success as a lot as I can. And I don’t try this effectively with journey. So I’m like, okay. You’re simply gonna ease into this and it’s gonna be fantastic. And he can simply watch Paw Patrol and that’s fantastic. If his day is Paw Patrol and that’s not my greatest parenting day ever, that’s fantastic, we’re simply gonna make it. So no matter. Yeah. Anyway, I really feel like PAW Patrol ought to pay us for a way a lot I speak about that present now. 

Elsie: You probably did give plenty of identify recognition simply then. That’s humorous. I hate it too, by the best way, although, for the report. Okay, so describe the film we’re again on Hocus Pocus now describe the film for individuals who haven’t watched.

Emma: 300 years have handed for the reason that Sanderson sisters had been executed for working towards darkish witchcraft, returning to life due to a mixture of a spell spoken earlier than their demise and the unintentional actions of Max, the brand new child on the town, the sisters have however one night time to safe their persevering with existence. Yeah, for a Disney film, like, it is rather a lot a Disney film, clearly, and I’m certain all our listeners have seen this film as a result of it’s a traditional. However it’s sort of edgy, like, after they, like, present their ft after they’re executed by hanging, you’re like, whoa, Disney, whoa! 

Elsie: Yeah! I Would say, yeah, I needed to handle like what age is that this for earlier than we get into it. Lots of people have messaged me that this yr and that is my very robust opinion. That is simply an opinion. However, okay, for my youngsters, I’ve a five-year-old who loves it and an eight-year-old who nonetheless thinks it’s too scary. So I believe that it’s completely case by case and there’s nothing in it. My opinion, once more, is there’s nothing in it that you would be able to’t strive at any age, I most likely tried for the primary time after they had been toddlers nonetheless, simply to see if they might watch it or have an interest, and so they simply weren’t , you realize, it takes a very long time earlier than youngsters are fascinated with something that’s not a cartoon. Yeah. I believe that it simply is determined by your child. Yeah, for adults, it’s undoubtedly, for certain, a child’s film. Like, there’s no world the place I might, like, get my husband to look at this with me for enjoyable. I watch it on a regular basis in my kitchen. 

Emma: Like one you possibly can have quite a bit within the background. When you’ve seen it, like Harry Potter. 

Elsie: It’s an excellent background film for, like, in the event you’re making, you realize, cookies or in the event you’re… 

Emma: Adorning, and also you’re like out and in of no matter room has your TV or no matter. Yeah. 

Elsie: I simply would maintain it on a repeat. However I undoubtedly do suppose it’s scary for some youngsters.

Emma: The witches try to kill kids to assist them be younger and reside longer. So these are, these are fairly darkish issues. 

Elsie: And so they look scary. Like, Bette Midler’s character significantly is sort of unhinged. 

Emma: Yeah, they provide her bizarre make-up. Her mouth particularly, seems loopy as a result of she has just like the bizarre Queen of Hearts lipstick. You understand how they might do it like that. She sort of seems just like the Queen of Hearts now that I’m excited about it. Possibly they sort of modeled it like Halloween Queen of Hearts or one thing. Anyway.

Elsie: She’s attractive. 

Emma: Yeah. She’s a queen. 

Elsie: Okay, so do you’ve got any recollections from once you first watched this film? So I believe this film got here out whereas we had been youngsters within the Nineties. I don’t… 

Emma: Yeah, I believe it says within the trivia. 93. 

Elsie: Good. I don’t have a reminiscence of watching it as a toddler. I believe I had an consciousness of it, and you realize, typically, like, you realize of a film and you’ll’t keep in mind in the event you watched it or not, however, like, a film like Hocus Pocus, you, like, sort of get it. You recognize what it’s gonna be, so it’s arduous to know in the event you watched it as a toddler or in the event you simply noticed a business or one thing. Yeah, I undoubtedly watched it for the primary time in my 30s I believe that you realize, like if you’re like a millennial girl on Instagram You might be very conscious of hocus pocus individuals similar to speak about it a lot. It’s part of yeah, just like the starter pack of being a millennial is watching hocus pocus each fall. So, I undoubtedly began watching it in my 30s yearly, after which for the reason that invention of Disney Plus, it’s like on on a regular basis, greater than quite a bit. So I like it. I wish to similar to maintain it going. 

Emma: Yeah, identical. I don’t keep in mind watching it as a child, and I actually don’t suppose I did. Like, I don’t actually have any recollections of it in any respect as a child both. You understand how typically you didn’t see a film, like, a giant one would have been like Area Jam, which I did see as a child. Nevertheless it was in like plenty of, I’m certain it was in like McDonald’s commercials or like, you realize what I imply? Like, it was sort of similar to in tradition. So even in the event you didn’t see it, you most likely knew what Area Jam was. I don’t really feel like this one was fairly as large once we had been youngsters. So it wasn’t like in McDonald’s commercials or no matter. So I don’t actually keep in mind it. I don’t have any recollections of it as a child. So there isn’t a, like, nostalgia from childhood for it for me. However I really feel like whoever I watched it with was in my 30s, most likely early 30s. I really feel like that they had some childhood nostalgia with it. And in order that, like, made it sort of enjoyable. As a result of I really feel like some individuals, have the same story about Harry Potter, the place they didn’t actually learn it as youngsters, or they didn’t watch the films popping out. However now, as soon as they get into it, particularly in the event you speak with somebody who has these childhood nostalgia, it sort of, like, provides a degree. And you then simply get into it, after which unexpectedly it turns into nostalgic for you since you watch it for 2 or three years in a row. And that’s sufficient time for nostalgia for me. 

Elsie: That’s true, and, as a guardian, I at all times say it’s your second childhood. I’ve skilled so many extra youngsters’ motion pictures and youngsters’ recollections with my youngsters that now they’re my recollections and so they’re, like, my particular issues, too. As a mother, that’s, like, what it’s. 

Emma: That’s a part of the enjoyment, yeah, attending to redo childhood. I like, too, once you’re a child, you sort of get, like, on a cycle as a result of, you want repetition, youngsters like repetition. Their brains are growing, and as a guardian, you’re a bit of extra like pushing them to have totally different favorites. So in that manner, you get to expertise greater than you most likely did as a child since you needed the repetition as a result of your mind was growing. I don’t know if that is making sense, however I simply suppose like, that if it had been as much as Oscar, he would watch the identical factor. At all times, however we attempt to push him a bit of, you realize what I imply? Or like let him strive totally different meals, you realize, similar to you’re attempting to present your child repetition in a great way, but in addition routine, I believe could be a greater solution to say it. However then additionally wish to push them to strive issues. So anyway, let’s speak about decor.

Elsie: Okay, yeah, I like the decor on this film. I really feel like we’ve executed a few rewatches just lately the place it was just like the coziness wasn’t actually coming from the homes on this film. It is vitally visible. There’s plenty of homes in it, which you realize, we love the the film homes, one among our themes that we sort of stick on and yeah I used to be like score every of them and I don’t suppose there’s for me any homes on this film that aren’t a ten out of 10. I like all of them a lot. 

Emma: Yeah, and I really feel like a few of the motion pictures we watch you possibly can’t inform if it’s an actual home or a set that they’ve constructed or Like a mixture, you realize, and this one it very a lot looks like units for probably the most half. There are some actual places, exteriors particularly and I sort of dig it. I really feel like it really works for like the child and Disney vibe that it’s and I just like the costumes that they do which aren’t tremendous lifelike However they’re very vibey and enjoyable. Prefer it simply looks like the proper quantity of campy to me So it’s like I like that it sort of feels like units and also you get to take pleasure in them in that manner Like a theater efficiency or, you realize, no matter. So most likely my favourite although is The Witch’s Cottage, regardless that often I lean in the direction of film homes that I need to reside in or like beautify my home like, and I don’t essentially have something about The Witch’s Cottage that I need to reside in or beautify my home like, but it surely’s simply so excellent. It’s like in the event you had been like, shut your eyes and movie a witch’s home. That’s what I’m picturing the Hocus Pocus cottage. So yeah, and the purple smoke that they’ve popping out of the cabin after they’re casting their spell to get youngsters. I don’t know. It’s simply so Disney and enjoyable. I like it. 

Elsie: Yeah. I like it too. Okay. The following one I had down is Max’s home, which is, it’s like a white home with this little, like, I’m certain there’s like an architectural time period, but it surely seems sort of like there’s a bit of lighthouse piece popping out of the roof. So it’s like a bit of small room that you would be able to climb up into with a ladder on the very high of the home and look out, and it’s a coastal home. So yeah, I’ve seen that. That’s undoubtedly an actual home in Salem, I believe, as a result of, individuals take photos in entrance of it. Yeah. Oh my god, I might take an image in entrance of that home so arduous if I used to be there. 

Emma: Yeah, commerce with one other vacationer who’s doing the identical factor. Like, sure. Yeah, and the ladder to go up, I imagine, is in Max’s room as a result of they sort of present it at one level. And I additionally simply love Max’s room as a result of it has a mixture of like, this type of like traditional wanting nautical wallpaper with sailboats. It seems like one thing an grownup selected. However then he additionally has like this tie-dye, like he has a tie-dye shirt on once we first meet him and he additionally has like a tie-dye tapestry behind his drum set in his room. I simply really feel prefer it’s that blend of like once you’re a child and it’s like some issues seem like your mother and father make it easier to put your room collectively after which some issues is like, I purchased this a Sizzling Subject and hung it up and I’m enthusiastic about it, you realize, and it’s like this mixture of issues. 

Elsie: My youngsters undoubtedly have that of their bedrooms. Just like the stuff that you would be able to inform I purchased versus the stuff that you would be able to inform is from Chuck E. Cheese. 

Emma: Yeah. Precisely, and it simply feels very actual in a manner and I simply actually like that. I additionally like that they make him like, he has the drum set and he looks like an entire individual to me. They actually made his character like an actual teenage boy or preteen boy. I’m undecided how outdated he’s speculated to be on this film. 

Elsie: I believe he’s speculated to be an early excessive schooler, so a young person. 

Emma: It’s like 13, 14, one thing like that. He most likely says it within the film, however I can’t keep in mind. When she’s like asking him, Max, take me trick or treating. I really feel like he says, I’m too outdated, however she’s like, you must take me. Anyway, however yeah, the home may be very cute. We don’t see a ton of different areas. I really feel like there’s one like candle wanting chandelier like a candelabra sort chandelier, however they’re similar to shifting in, I do love this could be within the trivia However there’s an image of the surface of the home Inside the home and you’ll inform they’ve simply moved in so there’s no manner they commissioned it. So in my thoughts, it’s like And I do know it’s fiction, however in my thoughts, after they purchased the home, the final homeowners left this and it stays with the home. It’s like a chunk that stays. I’m like, I like that concept. Ought to I get a portray of my home, that’s traditional wanting, after which it stays with the home? I don’t know. I simply like it. That element is admittedly like cool. No matter set designer got here up with that. I’m like, like it. 

Elsie: It’s very cool. I would really like, like to have a traditional portray of my house, in my house. It’s like, it’s very cool. Okay, the subsequent one I’ve is Allison’s home. So her home is sort of a very traditional, historic house, colonial.

Emma: It seems sort of like Father of the Bride a bit of bit. Despite the fact that that’s Southern California.

Elsie: It seems like The Father of the Bride Home, and her mother and father are having an grownup Halloween occasion, so it’s like very fancy, it’s very embellished, it’s very fancy, it’s undoubtedly probably the most, like, elegant inside that you simply’ll see within the film. And I like it, yeah. Individuals at all times say that they suppose my home might look a bit of bit like that, which I like as a result of it’s like, it’s an excellent praise. And, yeah, I want that they might have proven extra of it as a result of I really feel such as you largely simply see the entryway and perhaps one room. 

Emma: Yeah, I believe they go up the steps for a minute, so that you sort of see just like the banisters, or perhaps she comes down the steps.

I’m attempting to recollect. However yeah, you don’t see very a lot of the home, however what you do see does really feel prefer it’s embellished fancy for like a interval piece-type Halloween occasion, but it surely additionally looks like a fancier home, like higher center class with outdated wooden, like very New England, I don’t know, vibes.

Elsie: Her gown is sort of like, I don’t know, like a flowery gown you’d put on in Little Ladies to love one of many balls or one thing, so. 

Emma: Yeah, it seems like Satisfaction and Prejudice to me, one thing like that. 

Elsie: Yeah, okay, so I’ve a pair extra. Clearly, I like the graveyard. I believe it’s excellent and like film graveyards are, I believe, objectively higher than actual graveyards. they’re simply extra detailed and extra wealthy and actual graveyards, they seem like new. 

Emma: They give the impression of being new and so they are also extra… They’re not as enjoyable, and I believe that’s on goal, they’re a spot you go to go to a lifeless relative. And so, I don’t know if they need to be wacky and foolish, you realize, however in motion pictures, they will sort of take extra license as a result of it’s not really anybody’s relative, I assume. So, yeah. So it tends to be extra vibes. 

Elsie: So my favourite a part of the film is that they go trick or treating, so that you sort of get to see an entire neighborhood of homes, one after one other, and the youngsters in costumes. So cute. And my private favourite house within the film is the satan’s home! Let’s speak concerning the satan’s home for a minute. The within, not a lot. The surface is the place it’s at. So, once you watch the film subsequent time, discover after they get to the satan’s home it’s a devil-themed yard and what he has is a ton of what seems like cardboard cutouts of flames, crimson flames in every single place, and plenty of pretend smoke. Pitchforks and it like brings me a lot odd pleasure after I see them. One of many issues I like about Halloween is that you would be able to make one thing that like some individuals suppose is significantly scary into like a humorous. 

Emma: Oh, yeah. It’s very irreverent. 

Elsie: Sure, that makes me completely satisfied.

Emma: Sure. I believe, too, it’s a chance for us to discover our fears, you realize? So, in the event you’re afraid of hell, otherwise you’re afraid of loss of life, otherwise you’re, you realize, I believe we’re all sort of afraid of loss of life as a result of it means life will likely be over. And yeah, I believe that’s a part of it, too, is we will sort of face these items which are, which are scary, however we will do it in a little bit of humor. So anything concerning the Halloween scenes? Oh, one among my favourite components from them trick or treating is there’s this one second, I believe it’s proper as they begin trick or treating, the place a rainbow-looking skeleton simply pops up. Form of like the best way they begin the scene, the place they transition. You recognize, and it’s simply humorous as a result of I’m, I’ve a bunch of skeletons. I’ve by no means painted one rainbow. It has like face paint on or cranium paint. I suppose it wouldn’t be face paint. I don’t know. And it’s simply very humorous. And I simply love all of the little child’s outfits too, like all of the costumes I actually really feel like this may need been for funds causes or it may need been on goal. I don’t know. However a few of them very a lot seem like Halloween costumes that you simply simply purchased at Walmart or purchased wherever, you realize, Goal, no matter, Kmart. I don’t know. And so it simply feels extra actual. It looks like precise youngsters trick or treating. It doesn’t really feel too excellent. It does really feel like a film the place it’s like, wow, this neighborhood actually goes for it. However I’ve seen neighborhoods like that, so it doesn’t completely appear unrealistic to me. So anyway, it’s nice, that’s most likely a few of my favourite scenes within the film are after they’re trick or treating as a result of it simply is the vibes of the season.

Elsie: I believe that in the event you watched it 100 occasions, you can most likely discover a hundred totally different little particulars that you simply had by no means seen earlier than. Which is a good factor for a film that’s on the re-watch listing. 

Emma: It’s true. I’m attempting to consider every other cozy inspiration that we like. The cat? Oh, I like the speaking cat.

Elsie: The speaking cat is humorous. No, I used to be going to say there’s just like the Metropolis Corridor Halloween occasion with the adults, and the mother has a tremendous Madonna costume. And I like that they present the mother and father drunk. I believe that like, I don’t know, there are particular issues from Like older motion pictures that they simply, like, don’t do or present anymore. Like, the tone of latest youngsters’ motion pictures and the tone of children’ motion pictures from the 80s and 90s may be very totally different. When you have, like, watched plenty of them, like, for instance, in Residence Alone, you realize, the well-known scene the place he, like, borderline curses out the little youngster. That sort of factor is in like each outdated film, and virtually by no means in a more recent one. Anyway, I favored that they confirmed the mother and father drunk as a result of in the event that they had been at an grownup occasion, that’s how it will be! And it was like Halloween, and it, like, sort of, like, I don’t know, it had a vibe to me. I favored it. I favored that they confirmed them popping out within the morning when it was virtually daylight, like, popping out of the occasion all, sweaty and gross. I believed it was cute. 

Emma: As a result of they’ve been beneath the spell of dancing until you die. So there’s that, too. Yeah, I believe after they, like, get there and he’s like, Hey, Dad and the dad’s clearly, like, having a pleasant time, perhaps a bit of buzzed. I suppose it’s a bit of arduous to inform, however to me, he appeared like he’s taking part in it, I’m a bit of buzzed. He’s like, Hey, Max. How are you doing? After which he’s like, One thing’s flawed. He’s like, Oh, no. The place’s your sister? Like, it’s like a type of, like, I’m like, I perceive that parenting second. We had been like, I’m simply hanging out. I’m off responsibility parenting, after which unexpectedly you hear one thing and also you’re like, wait a second, do I should be like again on, you realize, like that sort of panic second?

Elsie: If my youngsters have like a tiny little, I’m like, are you okay? Yeah. 

Emma: Ought to I take some water in there? Yeah. You’re like relax. Yeah. Off-duty guardian switches on to on-duty. I’m like, I do know that feeling and that’s actually cute. I really feel just like the actor did a pleasant, it’s only a good little second to me.

Elsie: It’s good. It has aged very effectively. I can’t consider something within the film, we often say if there’s one thing within the film that was like, Actually dangerous, no? And I can’t consider something. 

Emma: No, I imply, you must know concerning the loss of life and so they’re attempting to kill youngsters. You recognize, there’s some issues like that for little youngsters. Yeah. You must know that. There’s additionally some extent the place they burn them within the pottery room, like, within the kiln. Yeah. That’s superior. Nice concept. However, like, you realize, additionally, like, you realize, in the event you’re displaying it to your little child, you may need to know that that’s a part of the film. 

Elsie: I believe I’m gonna get no less than, like, one hate mail about how, like, this film is just not okay for youths, however it’s on Disney Plus, and it’s a child’s film. So, I simply suppose everybody, like, you realize, kind your personal decisions. 

Emma: I don’t know why you’ll ship the hate mail to us. What am I going to do? You must ship it to Disney. I don’t know. Apparently in 1993. 

Elsie: As a result of I’m endorsing that my five-year-old likes it or no matter, however I’m not, I don’t know, no matter.

Emma: That’s as a result of Goldie’s hardcore. 

Elsie: She loves it. I can inform she likes the concept that she’s not scared. 

Emma: Yeah, she’s like, I’m robust. Yeah. That is a part of my model. You’re like, okay. That’s nice, Goldie. We assist you. Sure. Sure. Yeah. 

Elsie: I don’t know. I’ll say I don’t actually suppose hardly any horror motion pictures are scary, like, for me. Like, I don’t know. Some individuals are actually, actually delicate to them, however I don’t even know why we’re having this dialog as a result of it is a child’s film, so.

Emma: This isn’t a horror film. No. No. 

Elsie: It’s not. No. Okay, so ought to we do some trivia? Is there anything earlier than we soar into that? 

Emma: No, I imply, the one factor I might level out is how iconic the witch’s outfits are as a result of so many individuals put on them as costumes. Like, they’re iconic. 

Elsie: They’re clothes, they’re costumes, they’re brooms. One in all them has a vacuum that she switches to. 

Emma: Yeah, they lose their brooms, in order that they have to seek out new ones. 

Elsie: The hair, the make-up, the pretend tooth, all of it. 

Emma: The stroll that they do, that’s like all three collectively, you realize, it’s a extremely, like, vibe. I actually really feel like these three actresses, they like, actually went for it in a manner that I simply love. I additionally suppose that Sarah Jessica Parker is a extremely totally different position for her than most different motion pictures I’ve seen her in. She’s often taking part in extra of a like, refined, unbiased girl who’s like, you realize, doing one thing like she’s in a rom-com or she’s in Intercourse and the Metropolis or no matter. And this one, she’s very, you realize, witchy and she or he’s meant to be sort of the dumb blonde of the group or one thing.

Elsie: She’s like, very spaced out and she or he’s additionally very like, flirtatious. 

Emma: Yeah, yeah. So it’s simply humorous. It’s a really bizarre character and she or he simply makes it actually enjoyable and actually commits and so they all do. And it’s very enjoyable and vibey and campy. 

Elsie: I like them. I like the songs. I may also defend Hocus Pocus 2. Is it pretty much as good as Hocus Pocus 1? No. It’s by no means gonna be. No, it was by no means gonna be. They’re additionally making Hocus Pocus 3, so little shout-out for KJP. Each single time that they begin filming in Salem, he like someway will get drone pictures of it and stuff and posts it and it’s all stunning, you realize, his manner. Yeah, that’s how I discovered about that.

Emma: He’s their advertising and marketing division. 

Elsie: He sort of is, and he’s doing an excellent job. So, yeah, I can’t wait. It’ll most likely come out subsequent Halloween, however I’ll rewatch the primary one probably the most. It’s sort of like Residence Alone for me. I’ll at all times love the primary one probably the most, however I believe that the opposite ones, like, I’ll even simply, like, communicate forward for Hocus Pocus 3, regardless that it’s not out but. I do know it’s gonna be good, and I do know I’m gonna stand behind it.

Emma: I actually favored the second Hocus Pocus. Yeah. I don’t know if I might say I prefer it extra. As a result of I don’t actually really feel the necessity to decide a favourite. However I actually favored it, and I used to be very completely satisfied to have one other model, like one other piece of this franchise. So, I don’t know. I don’t know if anybody else felt that manner. Possibly I’m the one one on the planet. However I used to be like, I believed it was simply pretty much as good, simply totally different. Like, it’s a unique story, and so they’re doing a unique factor. However, yeah, I beloved it. I believed it was nice. 

Elsie: Effectively, and I believe after that a lot time passing, it’s fairly uncommon for all of the actors to be keen and in a position to take part once more. So it’s like actually cool. It’s very particular. 

Emma: Possibly I had my expectations in the proper place. Possibly, as a result of it isn’t actually a chunk of childhood nostalgia for me, so there wasn’t something that they might mess up. However yeah, so I beloved Hocus Pocus 2. I believe it’s nice. I’m wanting ahead to a 3rd one However I don’t actually count on it to be higher I don’t actually really feel I simply so you realize, I’m to have extra of the franchise. Why not? I like witches It’s enjoyable. 

Elsie: Yeah. So, ship us messages about what your favourite film home is from Hocus Pocus, and each time you see the satan home, consider me. That’s how I need to be remembered. 

Emma: You will be the satan within the scene and I’ll be the spouse who’s like, the occasion’s over. Get out of my home. Like, she’s acquired the curlers in her hair. She’s not even sporting a dressing up. No, she’s clearly been in mattress and she or he’s like, what’s this racket? Get out. You recognize, it’s nonetheless Halloween. Like, youngsters are out trick or treating. Yeah. I beloved it very a lot. Yeah, it’s a superb, yeah. All proper, let’s do some trivia. All proper, I’ll learn the primary one. The actor who performed Billy wore a mouth rig, which is a latex pocket connected to dentures that blocked off his throat to make the moths come out. I do know it seems like It’s very cool. Form of a stunt, actually. So there was a small gap within the very again of the pocket in order that he might cough some air into it. That doesn’t sound like respiratory. It seems like coughing some air into it. An animal wrangler would place a number of moths within the pocket with tweezers after which the stitches could be glued shut and they’d attempt to get the shot as quick as potential. The entire, that complete factor seems like drowning however not in water and I’m like, oh, that actor. 

Elsie: That is like, my complete coronary heart is like motion pictures earlier than particular results and the way they achieved sure issues. I like this, I like it. And I believe it’s so cool that they used actual moths and that they, you realize, created this complete little system inside his mouth and he did that again and again for the film. I believe it’s very cool, and I’m certain now most likely they want CGI these little moths in there. 

Emma: I might hope. That might be safer. However, yeah, that’s a dedication for certain. 

Elsie: It’s magical. Okay, the movie was launched in July 1993 to reap the benefits of kids being off from college throughout the summer time. Okay, loopy like, that doesn’t make sense to me in any respect that you’d launch this film in the summertime when it’s a full-on Halloween film. Like, I believe September 1st is absolutely the soonest day. 

Emma: It’s, yeah. However there additionally, learn the subsequent half. 

Elsie: Avoiding competitors with The Nightmare Earlier than Christmas, Disney’s different Halloween film, which was launched that yr, which I’ll say is far more well-known, or was within the 90s, far more well-known than this film, in order that sucks to be them. That was like a scheduling error for certain. 

Emma: Effectively, I believe, too, it’s a type of moments the place, what in the event you had been like, Uh oh, we have now two Halloween hits. We really feel like these are each hits, however we will’t actually put them out on the identical time, as a result of if we did, one’s going to get overshadowed. I’m like, what else would you do however launch one in the summertime? However it’s wild to consider this film popping out in July, as a result of I’m like, I like Halloween, however I’m like, who desires to look at a Halloween film in July? I’m like, I don’t know. Possibly if I had a down week. Nevertheless it’s simply wild. 

Elsie: Okay, as a result of it wouldn’t nonetheless be within the theaters at Halloween, so by no means in a single million years would I believe that that may create success for it, and it sort of is smart why it acquired overshadowed by the opposite film.

Emma: Yeah, and I’m certain there’s extra to the story than what we have now in entrance of us, however I do marvel if Their technique was like, we’re not going to make the cash within the theaters. We’re going to make the cash on TV, just like the syndication or the reruns or no matter the proper time period is. I don’t know. I’m not a film govt.

Elsie: Effectively, that’s been true for certain. 

Emma: Yeah. So marvel in the event that they had been like, right here’s our technique. We’ve acquired to get it out earlier than Nightmare Earlier than Christmas after which hopefully individuals prefer it sufficient that they’ll simply rewatch it on their TVs come Halloween and so they’ll go to the movie show for Nightmare Earlier than Christmas and we will simply sort of double dip on the cash as greatest we will. I don’t know. 

Elsie: I’ll say, I like Nightmare Earlier than Christmas. It’s one among my favourite kids’s Halloween motion pictures and we most likely won’t ever do an episode for it. So, I like it a lot. 

Emma: It’s excessive vibes, but it surely’s a bit of gradual. 

Elsie: It’s gradual, however the songs are unbelievable. And that’s sort of like what it’s all about. So, I like them. 

Emma: Yeah, and I imply the animation. It’s like precise clay, isn’t it? Anyway, we’re not doing that film proper now, so I’m gonna cease earlier than I’m like, let’s speak about that for quarter-hour. Okay, shifting on. Yeah. Okay, subsequent trivia. The story for Hocus Pocus took place after author David Kirschner invented a bedtime story for his youngsters. He later wrote the story up and submitted it to The Muppet Journal the place it gained recognition. Find it irresistible a lot. Find it irresistible a lot. Couldn’t like it extra. 

Elsie: That’s lovable. A sequel e-book launched in 2018 revealed Jay and Ernie’s Fates. Mm-hmm. So to start with, like, was there a e-book within the first place? I’m confused. It was a narrative, then they did a e-book. 

Emma: Effectively, it says that he wrote it up. Okay. So perhaps, I don’t actually know. Yeah, that’s a superb query. 

Elsie: They had been ultimately rescued and one boy went on to turn into the principal of the native highschool. Hmm. The opposite grew to become a park ranger in order that he might search and rescue ops with the purpose of serving to misplaced entrapped individuals. I believe that’s actually candy. 

Emma: Yeah, it’s like they gave them a bit of arc, too, as a result of they’re the bullies. And also you’re like, oh no, they’re not gonna achieve this nice in life as a result of they’re simply these imply guys who decide on little youngsters and steal tennis sneakers. However look what they did! They went on to study a lesson, I suppose, or one thing.

Elsie: Individuals can change. 

Emma: Yeah, you do really feel dangerous that they get caught within the witch’s home. You assume somebody finds them, however yeah, it’s sort of imply that they go away them. It’s like, hey man, I do know he stole your sneakers, however you shouldn’t simply go away somebody deserted in a witch’s home. That’s not cool. Okay, do you know, Elsie, that Hocus Pocus was the primary Disney movie to make use of the phrase virgin? All of the issues on this film, to me, that’s just like the least edgy.

Elsie: I believed it was a really cute a part of the film. And so they do say the phrase virgin so many occasions. So, good for them. It’s like in the event you’re going to make use of a phrase that’s by no means been used earlier than, use it like forty occasions as a substitute of two.

Emma: And so they do use it like the right manner It’s not that they dive into intercourse all that a lot on this film It’s a child’s film, however yeah And I additionally really feel like Max doesn’t actually act tremendous embarrassed that he’s a virgin like he very a lot was like, yeah And a virgin lit the candle if something he’s like, I’m sorry. I lit the candle. He’s not like I’m sorry for being a virgin I believe that’s additionally good, typically 90s motion pictures simply do bizarre issues with intercourse, and so I really feel like they deal with it prefer it’s good, prefer it’s like this regular factor and also you sort of study the true definition of it and it’s not like a giant deal for a child to be a virgin, it’s regular and good, you realize. I’m like, that’s good, that appears regular. Yeah. Appears the proper transfer right here. This has to do together with your satan’s home. 

Elsie: Ooh hoo hoo! Gary and Penny Marshall play a disgruntled husband and spouse within the film. Oh, in order that they’re the satan home husband and spouse. However they’re actually brother and sister. I like that.

Emma: I do know. It’s hilarious. And I’m like, yeah, that’s actually humorous and enjoyable. It could most likely be actually enjoyable to work together with your sibling, too, on a set. Even in the event you’re taking part in husband and spouse. Which is bizarre, but it surely’s like they’re, like, having, like, a humorous little battle. So it’s simply humorous. And, yeah, they do appear to have nice chemistry. So I’m like, oh, that is smart that they, like, actually know one another. 

Elsie: I like it. I like that satan home. Okay, so score the film from 0 to five, black flame candles. 

Emma: Oh, 5 or 6. 

Elsie: Yeah, I imply, 5 for certain. To infinity and past.

Emma: Fallacious film, however sure. 

Elsie: It’s superb. Okay, in the event you haven’t ever watched Hocus Pocus, it’s on Disney Plus I’m certain everybody on the planet has that.

Emma: It’s most likely on YouTube, too. 

Elsie: It’s most likely wherever else. Simply watch it. Simply open your coronary heart. And in the event you’re like a brilliant snob like my husband, then, you realize. 

Emma: You’re most likely not listening to this podcast. 

Elsie: Then simply watch it with a child. Yeah, watch it with a child. No, it’s enjoyable as a result of it’s magical. 

Emma: All proper, so now we’re going to have a joke or a reality or perhaps a meditation with Nova.

Elsie: All proper, we’re again with Nova. Nova, what do you’ve got ready for us this week? 

Nova: I’ve a meditation. 

Elsie: What sort of meditation? 

Nova: A spooky meditation because it’s getting near Halloween. 

Elsie: Good, okay. 

Nova: So shut your eyes and fake you’re trick or treating on Halloween. After which fake you come to a spooky home. Like a spooky fortress. You then stroll in, and you discover no one who’s alive is in there. However you discover a pleasant, very cute ghost, who will likely be your tour information. You undergo and see a pumpkin. He says good day, and the way are you doing? Then, you undergo and see a witch. She makes some meals for you. As a result of you know the way witches make potions.

Elsie: Ought to we eat the meals?

Nova: Sure, as a result of she made it good. Okay. You ate it, and it was so scrumptious. Then, you go and see some bats. They are saying, how is the meals? And also you say, it’s good. Then, one among them swoops you up, and you then fly into the air on the moon. After which, come again to your own home. And, once you go, you keep in mind. You place one other pumpkin similar to it. You place a bat up. That represents a bat. You place a moon up. Represents a moon. And you set a ornament of a witch. Now your own home simply seems prefer it’s the spooky fortress. Proper there, so that you’ll at all times do not forget that. And perhaps, in the event you go trick or treating once more in that lane, you possibly can go to them once more!

Elsie: Thanks, Nova. She is doing much more meditation now.

Emma: I like them. At any time when I’m listening, I wait until I can shut my eyes and do her meditations and I like them. 

Elsie: Okay. We hope you loved this episode. We love doing consolation rewatches. It’s our favourite sort of episode to do. We will likely be again subsequent week with our Autumn Bucket Record episode.